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Ok, I'm a big fan of Engl amps, I've heard some great clips, played on a few in the past, but when I reacently went on their website & rocksolidamps I noticed they have soooo many to choose from now.
Which is better and what's the over all difference between them :
* Savage 120
* Invader 100
* Powerball
* Special Edition
They all have 4 channels, right? ........So, what makes one more buyable than the other ??

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me too. i've always wondered this but never even heard any of these in person.

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Different tones for different tastes, different poweramps, different features. What are you going for? :idk:

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You forgot the blackmore... regarded by many as one of the best of the engl line
Powerball/Fireball are great at low mid metal tones, loads of bass and gain
Blackmore/Savage are great metal amps with alot of midrange, not as much
gain as the above 2 but still more than anyone would need
Special Edition, all engl tones on steroids. The only reason people don't like these is because the offer too many options that some players will never use
Blackmore/Savage and special addition are the most flexible of the line imo
Engl don't make a bad amp, just a matter of picking the right one for you

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Blackmore/Savage are great metal amps with alot of midrange, not as much
gain as the above 2 but still more than anyone would need
This is an understatement. My Savage has MOUNTAINS more gain than I'd ever use, and I likes me the blakk-deth metulz....can't recommend Engl enough, I've never been this happy with my rig! :thu:

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the invader seems to make a lot of owners happy, i'd like to try that one myself

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Blackmore/Savage are great metal amps with alot of midrange, not as much
gain as the above 2 but still more than anyone would need edit:
my bad, I remembered reading it the other way around on their website for some reason. God, I can only imaging the number of people i've given the wrong info to

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the blackmore is based off the invader, not the savage
the savage has a crap-load of gain
erm........ i was just on the website, and they said the Blackmore is based off the Savage.....
But regardless, I've been listening to all the clips rocksolidamps has to offer again, and the Invader and the Blackmore are by far the best. So, i'll be going for the Invader, it looks ammmmmmmazing !!

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I just sold my Invader 100 to make room for a Steve Morse Engl coming from Josh Sage at Rebel Amps. The Invader is a great amp....I wish I could afford to keep it.:cry:
There are a few guys who don't like it but it's all personal choice. The guy who is buying it had the Engl SE to compare with Bulb of Periphery's Invader 100. Both him and Bulb like the Invader much more.
Here is Bulb playing his:

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Special Edition, all engl tones on steroids. The only reason people don't like these is because the offer too many options that some players will never use Not necessarily, I know Ans liked the Savage better than the SE because of the tone, I think it was the tightness or something:idk:
the blackmore is based off the invader, not the savage Sorry, wrong. The Blackmore came out long before the Invader, buddy :poke:

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Okay here is the rundown of the Engl line of amps. For starters, the layout for most of the amps are four channels with channel 1 being clean, channel 2 being a vintage crunch, channel 3 being your heavy rhythm, and channel 4 being your lead. Most of these amps have a ton of features too, and unlike most amps, these features are all controllable via MIDI and/or a footswitch which makes them so useful in live situations.
Fireball - two channel amp with a very simple layout. Plug and play with minimal tweaking necessary. It has a very scooped, modern metal sort of sound with a decent clean but doesn't do a whole lot else.
Powerball - is a four channel amp, based off of the Fireball (actually I think the FB was based off the PB, but either way). Though it is primarily also a modern scooped metal sound, this amp has tons of tweakable features making it much more versatile and much more useable than the Fireball. I've heard people get amazing rock sounds and lead tones out of the Powerball with the right tweaking, as well as their signature high gain br00tality. More gain than any man will ever need.
Blackmore - four channel amp but only uses a single EQ. Based off of the Savage, not the Invader as mentioned above. Much more vintage voiced than the rest of the Engl line and much easier to tame for good old rock and roll crunch. Can definately be kicked up to channel 4 for a good old school thrash metal sort of feel, with tons of midrange and punch.
Savage - four channel amp with two EQs. The Savage is to the Blackmore what the Powerball is to the Fireball. It is a similar layout with much more tweakable options and versatility. The Savage, with the addition of the Engl Z-7, is completely midi capable which for me was a HUGE plus since it has so many switchable features. As previously mentioned, it is voiced similar to the Blackmore, but with more gain, way more aggression, and it has this percussive thwack to the string attack that is just unparalleled (probably due to the KT88/6550 tubes in it). The EQ curve on it is remeniscent of a Marshall, with that upper midrange emphasis and fantastic bite that cuts through the mix like a hot knife, but it is much more modern sounding than a Marshall, with more lowend than I know what to do with. The rough/smooth selector on channel 3 and 4 were the selling point for me. It boosts the midrange and tames the high-end grit just enough to put you further in front of your band and cut that much better for leads. I heart this amp.
Invader - The newest of the Engls. On most Engl amps, channels 2 and 4 sound very much like boosted versions of channels 1 and 3. Not the Invader. This amp has four full indepedent channels with four EQs and four VERY different voicings. It is much more open and less compressed than the other Engls. It also has a High/Low gain selector that works for every channel essentially giving you EIGHT different voicings in one amp. It is also midi controllable. Channel 1 low gain is a chimey pristine clean, high gain is a crisp punchiness with very minimal breakup. Channel 2 low gain is a vintage crunch, high gain gets you to JCM800 territory. Channel 3 is a very dark very smooth sounding metal rhythm channel. Channel 4 is one of the sexiest most harmonically complex lead sounds I've ever heard. Serious I busted a nut when I first listened to it.
SE - last but not least is the SE, the flagship. Most of todays amps look backwards towards the sounds and designs of amps from the 70's and 80's to achieve the tones of the "golden age" of rock / metal. This is one of those exceptions to the rule. This amp is truly one of the most innovative I've seen with so many useful (and some not so useful, but still cool) features and more tweakable options than anything I've seen to date. Four channels with a Modern and Classic voicing for each channel, as well as a Low/High gain selector for each channel, with depth boost, bright switch, half-power option, built in noise gate, four goddamn fx loops, a SELF BIAS section (which I think is fucking brilliant), a tube driver (which I still don't understand what it does), spring reverb, etc etc etc etc. You get the point. This thing does everything. It does, however, have a very distinctively compressed smooth lower-midrange voicing that you may or may not like.
In the end you can't go wrong with any of them. Start by figuring out what sort of voicing you are after (Modern, Vintage, scooped, midrangey). Then figure out what features you want (MIDI capable, switchable fx loops, etc.). That'll help narrow the options.
Wow, rereading, I just wrote a fucking book on Engl amps. Sorry for its lengthiness, I get very passionate about my amps :). Hope this helps. Enjoy.

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Okay here is the rundown of the Engl line of amps. For starters, the layout for most of the amps are four channels with channel 1 being clean, channel 2 being a vintage crunch, channel 3 being your heavy rhythm, and channel 4 being your lead. Most of these amps have a ton of features too, and unlike most amps, these features are all controllable via MIDI and/or a footswitch which makes them so useful in live situations.
Fireball - two channel amp with a very simple layout. Plug and play with minimal tweaking necessary. It has a very scooped, modern metal sort of sound with a decent clean but doesn't do a whole lot else.
Powerball - is a four channel amp, based off of the Fireball (actually I think the FB was based off the PB, but either way). Though it is primarily also a modern scooped metal sound, this amp has tons of tweakable features making it much more versatile and much more useable than the Fireball. I've heard people get amazing rock sounds and lead tones out of the Powerball with the right tweaking, as well as their signature high gain br00tality. More gain than any man will ever need.
Blackmore - four channel amp but only uses a single EQ. Based off of the Savage, not the Invader as mentioned above. Much more vintage voiced than the rest of the Engl line and much easier to tame for good old rock and roll crunch. Can definately be kicked up to channel 4 for a good old school thrash metal sort of feel, with tons of midrange and punch.
Savage - four channel amp with two EQs. The Savage is to the Blackmore what the Powerball is to the Fireball. It is a similar layout with much more tweakable options and versatility. The Savage, with the addition of the Engl Z-7, is completely midi capable which for me was a HUGE plus since it has so many switchable features. As previously mentioned, it is voiced similar to the Blackmore, but with more gain, way more aggression, and it has this percussive thwack to the string attack that is just unparalleled (probably due to the KT88/6550 tubes in it). The EQ curve on it is remeniscent of a Marshall, with that upper midrange emphasis and fantastic bite that cuts through the mix like a hot knife, but it is much more modern sounding than a Marshall, with more lowend than I know what to do with. The rough/smooth selector on channel 3 and 4 were the selling point for me. It boosts the midrange and tames the high-end grit just enough to put you further in front of your band and cut that much better for leads. I heart this amp.
Invader - The newest of the Engls. On most Engl amps, channels 2 and 4 sound very much like boosted versions of channels 1 and 3. Not the Invader. This amp has four full indepedent channels with four EQs and four VERY different voicings. It is much more open and less compressed than the other Engls. It also has a High/Low gain selector that works for every channel essentially giving you EIGHT different voicings in one amp. It is also midi controllable. Channel 1 low gain is a chimey pristine clean, high gain is a crisp punchiness with very minimal breakup. Channel 2 low gain is a vintage crunch, high gain gets you to JCM800 territory. Channel 3 is a very dark very smooth sounding metal rhythm channel. Channel 4 is one of the sexiest most harmonically complex lead sounds I've ever heard. Serious I busted a nut when I first listened to it.
SE - last but not least is the SE, the flagship. Most of todays amps look backwards towards the sounds and designs of amps from the 70's and 80's to achieve the tones of the "golden age" of rock / metal. This is one of those exceptions to the rule. This amp is truly one of the most innovative I've seen with so many useful (and some not so useful, but still cool) features and more tweakable options than anything I've seen to date. Four channels with a Modern and Classic voicing for each channel, as well as a Low/High gain selector for each channel, with depth boost, bright switch, half-power option, built in noise gate, four goddamn fx loops, a SELF BIAS section (which I think is fucking brilliant), a tube driver (which I still don't understand what it does), spring reverb, etc etc etc etc. You get the point. This thing does everything. It does, however, have a very distinctively compressed smooth lower-midrange voicing that you may or may not like.
In the end you can't go wrong with any of them. Start by figuring out what sort of voicing you are after (Modern, Vintage, scooped, midrangey). Then figure out what features you want (MIDI capable, switchable fx loops, etc.). That'll help narrow the options.
Wow, rereading, I just wrote a fucking book on Engl amps. Sorry for its lengthiness, I get very passionate about my amps :). Hope this helps. Enjoy.
Don't apologise, I think this is extremely helpful for those guys wanting to understand the Engl range.
I am an SE owner and it is now my main gigging amp - over my XTC simply because I can go from Pink Floyd to Pantera with the push of one button and not have to have 20 fx pedals etc...it really is worth the $$$ :wave:

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:thu: Okay here is the rundown of the Engl line of amps. For starters, the layout for most of the amps are four channels with channel 1 being clean, channel 2 being a vintage crunch, channel 3 being your heavy rhythm, and channel 4 being your lead. Most of these amps have a ton of features too, and unlike most amps, these features are all controllable via MIDI and/or a footswitch which makes them so useful in live situations.
Fireball - two channel amp with a very simple layout. Plug and play with minimal tweaking necessary. It has a very scooped, modern metal sort of sound with a decent clean but doesn't do a whole lot else.
Powerball - is a four channel amp, based off of the Fireball (actually I think the FB was based off the PB, but either way). Though it is primarily also a modern scooped metal sound, this amp has tons of tweakable features making it much more versatile and much more useable than the Fireball. I've heard people get amazing rock sounds and lead tones out of the Powerball with the right tweaking, as well as their signature high gain br00tality. More gain than any man will ever need.
Blackmore - four channel amp but only uses a single EQ. Based off of the Savage, not the Invader as mentioned above. Much more vintage voiced than the rest of the Engl line and much easier to tame for good old rock and roll crunch. Can definately be kicked up to channel 4 for a good old school thrash metal sort of feel, with tons of midrange and punch.
Savage - four channel amp with two EQs. The Savage is to the Blackmore what the Powerball is to the Fireball. It is a similar layout with much more tweakable options and versatility. The Savage, with the addition of the Engl Z-7, is completely midi capable which for me was a HUGE plus since it has so many switchable features. As previously mentioned, it is voiced similar to the Blackmore, but with more gain, way more aggression, and it has this percussive thwack to the string attack that is just unparalleled (probably due to the KT88/6550 tubes in it). The EQ curve on it is remeniscent of a Marshall, with that upper midrange emphasis and fantastic bite that cuts through the mix like a hot knife, but it is much more modern sounding than a Marshall, with more lowend than I know what to do with. The rough/smooth selector on channel 3 and 4 were the selling point for me. It boosts the midrange and tames the high-end grit just enough to put you further in front of your band and cut that much better for leads. I heart this amp.
Invader - The newest of the Engls. On most Engl amps, channels 2 and 4 sound very much like boosted versions of channels 1 and 3. Not the Invader. This amp has four full indepedent channels with four EQs and four VERY different voicings. It is much more open and less compressed than the other Engls. It also has a High/Low gain selector that works for every channel essentially giving you EIGHT different voicings in one amp. It is also midi controllable. Channel 1 low gain is a chimey pristine clean, high gain is a crisp punchiness with very minimal breakup. Channel 2 low gain is a vintage crunch, high gain gets you to JCM800 territory. Channel 3 is a very dark very smooth sounding metal rhythm channel. Channel 4 is one of the sexiest most harmonically complex lead sounds I've ever heard. Serious I busted a nut when I first listened to it.
SE - last but not least is the SE, the flagship. Most of todays amps look backwards towards the sounds and designs of amps from the 70's and 80's to achieve the tones of the "golden age" of rock / metal. This is one of those exceptions to the rule. This amp is truly one of the most innovative I've seen with so many useful (and some not so useful, but still cool) features and more tweakable options than anything I've seen to date. Four channels with a Modern and Classic voicing for each channel, as well as a Low/High gain selector for each channel, with depth boost, bright switch, half-power option, built in noise gate, four goddamn fx loops, a SELF BIAS section (which I think is fucking brilliant), a tube driver (which I still don't understand what it does), spring reverb, etc etc etc etc. You get the point. This thing does everything. It does, however, have a very distinctively compressed smooth lower-midrange voicing that you may or may not like.
In the end you can't go wrong with any of them. Start by figuring out what sort of voicing you are after (Modern, Vintage, scooped, midrangey). Then figure out what features you want (MIDI capable, switchable fx loops, etc.). That'll help narrow the options.
Wow, rereading, I just wrote a fucking book on Engl amps. Sorry for its lengthiness, I get very passionate about my amps :). Hope this helps. Enjoy. Nicely done! :thu:

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Great explanation CenturyStanding.

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I found that my powerball has very nice cleans too.....one of the reasons why I bought it was because of all the diversity.

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How about the rest of the line...Screamer, Classic, Thunder?

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:blah::blah::blah: nicely done
again sorry for my missinformation
you've made me want an invader now

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A lot of good information in this thread. :)
I really want myself an ENGL head, but I still don't know which one to get! I have my orange rocker 30 to supplement my classic rock needs, so I want an amp that can do hard (core) rock/metal really well (and without any pedals needed!).

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:snax:

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nicely done
again sorry for my missinformation
you've made me want an invader now Yeah, I would say the Savage, Invader, and SE are the real gems of the Engl line. For my taste at least. If I were a wealthy man I'd own all three.
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