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Having eagrely awated the release of IRREVERSIBLE, impressed by the pledge of many inviting extras (on a tartan DVD!?!?!?!) such as ...
'Making Of' documentary
Alternative scenes
Film notes
Star and director filmographies
'Special Effects' featurette
World Cinema trailer reel
Original trailer
Interactive menu
Scene access
...i am mighty ****** off :mad: and a little confused :eek: as to the fact that; when i went to go buy it...glancing upon the back of the box the only extras were (the usual tartan) film notes and trailers....
....is this true???? Is it a misprint on the box, or did they loose the rights to the extras? does anyone know?
i REALLY wanted to buy this film, but i'm not gonna splash 15 quid on it if it hasnt got the extras it was advertised to have. At least 4 online retailers claimed it to have the above extras, and even the shop i went into had a plastic sign listing the (non-existant) extras NEXT TO THE DVDS!!!!
can anyone shed any light on the situation...do you think there will be a re realease a la Battle Royale?
thanks :thumbs:
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Bought it this morning. Extras are:
Film Notes
Trailers/Teasers
World Cinema Reel
Sorry :( Typical Tartan...
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You sicko.
How perverse and brutal can one film be.
Tell me, do you own Baisse Moi aswell?
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Originally posted by watpoae
You sicko.
How perverse and brutal can one film be.
Tell me, do you own Baisse Moi aswell?
Irreversable gives me a hard on :|
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Sorry, <b>watpoae</b> are you calling me a sicko ?
Presumably you have seen it as well to be able to say: How perverse and brutal can one film be in which case - you hypocrite... :rolleyes:
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atpoae: sorry but you really can't say that. I haven't seen this film but have talked about it a lot with friends who have and I think you are way off the mark on this one. Noe created soemthing with a point, not just to expose women getting raped. Cinema can be brutal, but it's just one of many methods for a film maker to get his message across. And besides, it isn't nice calling other pople "sickos", it's quite rude... Let's appreciate films on here instead of call each other names please. Just my opinion of course :)
Fixed spoiler tags - Harsin. :)
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Originally posted by watpoae
You sicko.
How perverse and brutal can one film be.
Tell me, do you own Baisse Moi aswell?
...:| no i dont own Baise Moi, becuase that is litterally glamourised Porn, and its a pile of EDITED at that.
And IRREVERSIBLE is brutal, but not perverse, just honest.
....anyway it is nice to have your oppinion and relevant input into the thread :wave:
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i found this rather disturbing to watch at the start of the movie.
and as for that *scene* that was pretty hard to stomach.
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I was very dissapointed with the wrong extras too, although it did seem too good to be true seeing as its Tartan. I'll remind myself to double check the box first next time:(
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What's the picture quality like on the DVD & are the subtitles burned on?
THANKS...
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Subtitles are not burnt in and the picture quality is very good (I know - I was shocked for a Tartan release as well!:D )
I loved the film (well loved is probably the wrong word) it is a tour de force with great performances and brave direction. I don't consider myself a 'sicko'. :dork:
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Having now seen it - totally agree with you <b>dunkrag</b> - incredibly powerful film...
Us Sickos have got to stick together ey ? ;)
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I own the Tartan release and the SPECIAL EDITION CANAL + R2 French release (what does that make me?? :help: ).
For the record, the French release is outstanding - great menus & the disc includes:
TRAILER
TEASER 1
TEASER 2
SHORT FILM
SFX - How they were done
clip 1 & clip 2 - wild music videos
Commentary By Noe(in French of course)
CD of the Film Soundtrack
2 Postcards
Booklet
...all in a nice small box.
I wonder if Tartan are waiting to see what sales they get before unleashing this in the UK? (IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE anyone?).
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Originally posted by watpoae
You sicko.
How perverse and brutal can one film be.

LOL so you don't buy any warfilms like Pianist or schindlers list either? considering that they show real life.
the film is great on so many levels. yes the scene is horrible but that's the point. since when is rape a nice thing??
What is wrong with tartan??
I guess the DVD only has DD2.0 as well:(
Well I'm glad I got the french set with comemntary and loads of extras:)
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Tartan release is 5.1 and very effective.
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Just a quick question about the above film
Is it worse than I Spit On Your Grave?
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I was considering making the purchase of the R2 release, but not sure I can be bothered if it's a typical tartan let-down. Cheapest online price is c. £13.99 and that's at Splash so it might never arrive anyway.
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This is the problem (and this ain't a dig at you Evilbones - I've still got some spleen to vent on this thread I'm afraid).
Irreversible since it has a rape scene seems to be categorised by many people in to some kind of exploitation sub-genre.
The rape scene is so much worse than "I Spit On Your Grave" for a number of reasons - not that you "see anything", nor does it go on for 30+ minutes so we can have a rape out of doors, in doors etc. - hell anything to mean that the running time is over 25 minutes which is the time that it took the "makers" of I Spit On Your Grave to come up with their premise on the back of their respective cigarette packets.
I have never felt so physically ill as watching "that scene" in Irreversible and for that reason Noe has acheived (presumably) exactly what he set out to do. This is (presumably) realistic rape. Brutal, ugly, painful, sickening. There is no "revenge" - the heroine does not become some sort of Rambo character and decide to hunt down her assailants - pausing first to titilate the viewer with a few scenes of fellatio in the great outdoors and then a nice bath scene so we've got a good reason to stick around/fast forward for some more nudity.
Get it. Watch it. Trade it. Return it. Rent it. Whatever.
You'll be seeing a film that is very hard to watch (just as ISOYG was) - but I'd far prefer people to watch Irreversible than I Spit On Your Grave any day of the week.
There's a hell of a lot of talent behind and in front of the camera. There are a scenes (presumably acheived digitally) that I have no idea how they managed to pull off - be it camera tricks, CGI whathaveyou.
Just please don't dimiss this as just a "sicko" film - or lump it in to the same category as dross like "I Spit On Your Grave" or "Baise Moi" (certainly without seeing it first).
BTW the Tartan disc (although without the extras) as dunkrag says does the job perfectly well. Optional sub, 5.1 and 2.0, anamorphic picture that dealt with the Kubrickian colour schemes really well.
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Knowing Tartan, there will be special edition in a few months time, perhaps in a tin or something a la Battle Royale.
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Originally posted by jacquesbrel
I was considering making the purchase of the R2 release, but not sure I can be bothered if it's a typical tartan let-down. Cheapest online price is c. £13.99 and that's at Splash so it might never arrive anyway.
£12.99 here (www.dvdtakeaway.com) :thumbs:
I've never used them though.
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All this talk of IRREVERSIBLE has actually made me want to buy the film, as i know it will stur up interesting oppinions/ contraversy between my mates.
Thanks for the details on the extras etc for those who replied :thumbs:
Edit - updating comments
Just watched it again, and my God is it a powerful movie. I am disapointed by the lack of extras but i think it is a film worthy of owning for a bit of a grounding from much of the hollywood crap i watch. Will probably only bring myself to watch it again in a good few months though...
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Personally, I prefer "I Spit On Your Grave" because it knows that it's exploitation. "Irreversible" is exploitation masquerading as art (in my opinion naturally) and is therefore more cynical and hypocritical. It also doesn't have one-tenth of the power or style of Pinter's "Betrayal", which is a lot quieter and also a lot more disturbing I thought the ending/beginning was particularly idiotic as well as being nauseatingly sentimental.
In any case, I don't think it's a particularly well acted or well written film and, were it not for the structuring, there would be nothing there to make it worth discussing, other than the controversial scenes. I also thought that the use of the semi-erect penis was pandering to controversy in a way which was pretty childish.
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Don't agree with you I'm afraid Mike - but at least you can always put an argument across in a flame retardant manner !
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It comes to america on August 5
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It's an incredibly powerful film when you're actually watching it, but in the cold light of day I think it's comfortably the least interesting thing Noé has done to date (the other films of his that I've seen being <I>Carne, Seul contre tous</I> and <I>La bouche de Jean-Pierre</I>, the latter being a Noé film in all but name).
The gimmicky structure is pretty much the only thing that separates it from countless other rape-revenge films - and, as Mike correctly points out, Harold Pinter did it 25 years earlier in the vastly more complex <I>Betrayal</I> (which Noé originally planned to adapt, so there's no question what his source was).
And my other major problem with the structure is that it turns the film into the most phenomenally effective masturbation material for potential rapists that I've seen outside a porno film that I saw once that unambiguously endorsed the so-called rape myth (whereby the "victim" is sexually liberated by the experience and ends up thanking her attacker).
If you skip the opening scenes and start with the underpass, you not only get a protracted rape scene for your delectation, but you also get (seemingly) no moral consequences whatsoever. Indeed, the victim spends the final third of the film mostly in a state of partial or even total nudity, and her general demeanour suggests that she's ecstatically happy.
Ignore the structure (for whatever reason), and you get a <U>very</U> different film - and one that's much harder to defend.
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Blairwitch:
Hard to be a speaker of film watching rights when talking about this, but then slamming "I Spit" as 'dross' and sounding like Leslie freakin Halliwell or Roger Ebert!
"I Spit" has points to make too, it nay do it in the guise of exploitation in some places, but the rape in that is in no way glamourised or titilating.
You can't be a 'right on ' guy in one sentence then a snob in the other.
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Certain feminist writers have claimed that the rape in "I Spit" is particularly powerful because of the harrowing duration of it and the camera angles used to associate the viewer with the victim. I dunno if I totally agree but it is a film that has staunch defenders.
Has there been any feminist criticism of "Irreversible"? It would be interesting to read a similar critique of that film.
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Lucio's Beard:
Don't really see where I'm being a snob here ? I'm a big fan (if that's the word) of exploitation movies and made sure I went of my way to see uncut versions of the films that we are talking about here.
I'm pointing out that I consider Gaspar Noe's argument of "presenting rape as an act of violence rather than sex" is far more effectively presented in Irreversible than Meir Zarchi's argument of presenting an "anti-rape" film is in ISOYG.
ISOYG (whilst proudly wearing the badge of exploitation - nowt wrong with that) attempts to titilate the viewer IMO both during and after the rape. I don't consider Irreversible to do so - even though the inverse order of events presents Belluci as sexual after the event.
Rape and the aftermath of rape is horrific and traumatic. Only one of these films (again IMO) shows this.
The snob rests :p
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I fail to see how any of the rape in "ISOYG" can be said to titilate.
Look at the state of her...how she acts and reacts...have you forgotten that scream she gives out when she is (possibly) sodomised over the rock?
Me thinks a listen to the new comms by the Director and Joe Bob Briggs is called for. Seems though, that as this is also an 'exploitation' film...and irreversable' is classed as an 'art' film it's points a re more valid.
Both are nasty rapes, and both do what they set out to do. And perhaps the Woman getting revenge and taking back her life in "ISOYG" is in fact a more positive message.
Justice, punishment, taking back the power.
But if the snob bit was OTT I apologise
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Ah - no probs you bearded freak ;)
I enjoyed the Joe Bob Briggs comm very much, but didn't make it through the director's comm I have to say.
I guess its the length of the scene in ISOYG (and I know the Irreversible scene is hardly short) - spread out over nearly 40 minutes that gets to me. I just feel that some of the shots are gratuitous and after the exterior scenes the whole of the interior scenes are just "more of the same" - I know its ***** to couch it in such terms but anyway you get the drift - nothing of any merit is contributed to the story by spinning the rape out longer - anymore so if original rape was a minute a length - the crime has been committed...
Its the sexual nature of her revenge rampage that gets to me as well. 2 of the 3 (?) stalk and slays are liberally dosed with nudity and I'm just not 100% convinced of the necessity of them again. I'm not sold that mere hours/days after the event she is ready to place herself in a sexual situation with her attackers again (albeit to kill them).
It has been mentioned above that Irreversible (due to its reverse unfolding) features plenty of flesh from our Ms Belluci "afterwards" but its in the context of a relationship and never borders on the questionable in my mind.
I guess ISOYG just left me feeling generally dirty whereas Irreversible left me emotionally shattered.
I'm afeared as well - that Irreversible is the reality of the majority of rape cases - unfortunately there is precious little opportunity for the victim to meter out any chance of exacting "Justice, punishment, taking back the power" after the event.
Hey-ho. Least I don't to ban them or anything (just been watching the extras on Last House On The Left - now there's a thread to start !) :)
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If only the UK DVD had got by uncut it would have swept all before it...and been a major Worldwide internet success as it's much better stacked and packed than the, still very good, R1 version.
Hell of a shame. Almost as much a shame as the crap comedy Cops in the film itself.
I remember the days of Video nasties, of banned films, of raids by Trading Standards (personally) and i never thought I would see the day (not in the UK so much sadly) when films like these would get delux DVD releases!
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Its crazy isn't it !
Krug & Company on Disc 2 to boot :eek:
And then the main feature is still just as hacked apart... :(
There is a cheeky feature thought that is the first good use of a photo gallery that I've seen - whereby you can play the "cut" scenes (albeit without sound) if you are quick enough with the old <b>advance</b> button on your handset !
Now that's using the hardware effectively to get round the censors :clap:
But lest we forget that the deputy of that hilarious :oh-hum: double act cop team is the leader of the evil dojo in the original Karate Kid ("Out of Commission !") - so there was hope for him at least ! :D
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I know both are rape/revenge films, but for me it is hard to compare ISOYG and Irreversible, as in ISOYG it is all about the woman HERSELF getting revenge on the rapists, which is far removed from the reaction of Belluci's boyfriend and ex in Irreversible, where they are taking revenge for their own reasons. Irreversible even hints at the mans revenge being almost sexist, in that he feels it is his "right" to take revenge, almost as though she is his property....something hinted at later in the film (earlier in the story) when he says something along the lines of "I stole his girl" and she rants at him about how she "made a choice...." she is "not his property" etc. The revenge in ISOYG is very personal, something she very much achieves becuase of her rage and disgust, whereas the revenge in Irreversible is taken wihtout Belluci's knowledge - she is in a coma.