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Just watched the r2 last night, it had a couple of scenes missing from the cinema release namely the event in Borgins where harry came out the chimney to hear the Malfoys selling off old gear, and the gnome clearing at the Weasleys farm.
Now from what i can gather these have been added to the "missing scenes" section of the dvd. Havnt seen them yet, but sounds like a very dodgy trend of studios editing out sections of the film in order to promote the disc as having extra missing material.
Very poor show.
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Are these 'missing scenes' only viewable from the menu or can they be put into the film seamlessly? Either way its a bit off.
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Well the scene with the Malfoy's selling their 'suspicious' gear is in the additional scenes section on Disc Two of my R1 copy. Can't remember the other scene in the movir or as an additional scene. Can't say they were missed, I haven't seen the film before and i didn't miss them. And no the scenes are just as additional scenes on Disc 2 so impossible to integrate back into the feature film.
But yes I would agree a worrying trend.
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There just happened to be a bootleg VCD lying around my house (not mine, honest). Well I checked and neither of those scenes were in the theatrical cut (and belive me it is the theatrical cut, you can see a guy get up presumably to take a leak halfway through).
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Originally posted by Emiaj
There just happened to be a bootleg VCD lying around my house (not mine, honest). Well I checked and neither of those scenes were in the theatrical cut (and belive me it is the theatrical cut, you can see a guy get up presumably to take a leak halfway through).
:lol: :clap: Who's boot leg is it:suspect:
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Those scenes weren't in the theatrical version I saw last November :confused:
i suspect some kind of memory charm was used on you :D
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Originally posted by Spam
Just watched the r2 last night, it had a couple of scenes missing from the cinema release namely the event in Borgins where harry came out the chimney to hear the Malfoys selling off old gear, and the gnome clearing at the Weasleys farm.
Now from what i can gather these have been added to the "missing scenes" section of the dvd. Havnt seen them yet, but sounds like a very dodgy trend of studios editing out sections of the film in order to promote the disc as having extra missing material.
Very poor show.
IIRC The Gnome Clearing is the book but not the film (even deleted scenes) and the piece where Harry sees the Malfoys selling their stuff is in the deleted scenes. I do not remember either scene in the theatrical release.
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They were in the book, but they were definately not in the theatrical release of the film - I should know - I saw it twice :dork:
There were loads of scenes missing from the film that were in the book, such as the death day party for nearly headless nick and a lot of the build up with the Durseleys.
Cedge spent an hour last night in bed telling me how much better the film could have been if they included all the scenes in the book etc, and I'm sure he'll be along later to give his views on it. :lol:
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Originally posted by beaky
Cedge spent an hour last night in bed telling me how much better the film could have been if they included all the scenes in the book etc, and I'm sure he'll be along later to give his views on it. :lol:
I agree it could have been good with the extra scenes, however the film would have been rapidly approaching 4 hours if they did ;)
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hmmmm could of sworn the gnome clearing was in the film too. Ahh well, phantom memories :) God only knows what theyll have to chop out of 3 and 4 , those books were the size of lotr.
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From cedge:
All the things that were not in the film that would of made it longer but far better IMHO are as follows (Please correct me/comment or add anything that I miss).
What I really like about the books is the interaction between Harry and his muggle guardians "The Dursley's", this bit was way too rushed in the film.
Here's what they missed anyway that should of been included IMO in no particular order;
The important evening rehearsals and the actual evening was much too rushed, I think they just wanted to get the story to Hogwarts to move the story along but IMO the scenes with the Dursley’s previously have been brilliant and it’s a shame that they skimmed though them here
In the book I was looking fwd to seeing in the film the bit where one of the Weasley twins goes into Harry's house during his escape, downstairs to fetch his trunk and avoids the creaky stair on the way down etc. from the downstairs cupboard as the Dursleys forbid Harry to study any magic over the holiday. Everything else about the escape was good though

They could of made one of the best lines in the whole film soo much better for what Harry said to Lockhart just before he got rid of the bones in his arms;
Harry - "Oh know not you" he moaned
Lockhart - "Doesn't know what he's saying"
They could of played that scene off soo well instead they rushed it again like everything else.

Harry saw dobby before he saw him in his bedroom briefly in the garden the morning before, also in the garden he scared off his cousin Dudley by threatening to do magic on him

The Dursley's didn't know Harry couldn't do magic away from Hogwarts, it was only due to the fact that Dobby breaking the cake that he got a warning from the Ministry of Magic which told the Dursleys this - they locked him in his room after this and put bars on the window and only let him out for the toilet as a cat flap was installed into his door for meals
The train station and the flying car was done very well as was the punishment of the crime at Hogwarts, but then it skipped on a bit too fast and missed other people's reaction to their entrance to Hogwarts that year.

The De-Gnoming by Ron, Harry and the twins who were not in the film enough IMO would of been a good scene

More glimpses/scenes in the Weasly's house especially including Percy's/Ron's room

The conversation between Arthur Weasly and Harry could have been better / more focused on muggle technology other then a plastic duck!
Flourish and Botts was far too rushed as the missing punch up between Arthur Weasly and Lucious Malfoy was avoided thus not creating at much tension between them.
They never went to Gringotts to get money, which would of, helped emphasise that Harry felt sorry and wanted to give the Weasly's Money, as they were really poor.

Not much interaction between Colin Creevey, Lockhart and Harry regarding signed photographs and Harry's popularity etc.
No references to which detentions they would be doing and their reactions to them (Their punishment for using the flying car to get to Hogwarts) - it just jumped into the fan mail detention. No input from Ron scrubbing the special award trophy in his detention with Tom Riddle on it for his services to the school on catching the accused Hagrid 50 years prior

They could of included Lockhart's lesson where he gave an exam to the class asking questions about himself to help provide more depth to the character.
They should of included all of the peeves scenes that were missing
The mandrakes scene was good as could of been and the addition of Longbottoms faint was good.

More slugs could of come from Ron but they were pretty well done so not too bothered about that one.

In the book when Harry and Ron became Crabbe and Goyle they managed to discover from Malfoy that his dad had stashed away some illegal muggle artefacts in a secret compartment under their study - this would of been good if it was included as their Dad could of got one back at Malfoy as well as the whole changing scene far too rushed. Good/Fuuny though but just not long enough.

They completely missed the bit about getting all the ingredients for the Polyjuice potion and that Harry let off a firework in Snape's lesson that enable Hermione to get into Snape's office and nick what they required - the Polyjuice potion happened before you knew it happened which should of been explained more.

The whole chapter regarding the Death day Party was missed, which would of, been a laugh.

The Quidditch game even though was really good was much to short as it missed out Wood taking a time out to release the Twins from keeping the rogue bludger away from Harry, the twins and wood were very very under used which was a real shame as they are in some excellent scenes in the book and provide a lot of humour.
Nearly there I think;

The duelling club was much too short, would of like to seen other people duelling and other curses being used to great effect!

the diary scene was way too rushed, Harry suddenly thought to ask this book about the chamber where in the book it explains much more clearly that the book is a memory of Tom Riddle and that he stores all the magic and dark arts about Hogwarts etc.
the spiders and the forest and the rescue by the car were done very well if slightly different from the book in way of 2 huge spiders in a clearing

the chamber and the location of the chamber was done very well but Harry always had trouble speaking parsel tongue (he could never just do it) and in the book he had to use a flame on the symbol in the bathroom to trick his mind into thinking it was moving so he could speak parsel tongue, this would of been good, the rest was good though but one other point about the sorting hat is that Harry put it on his head and the sword came out that way when he needed help not on the floor.
.....and the last bit that would of been nice after where the film does end:

at the end when they come off the train you see the Dursley standing back from the Weasley's, would of been good to flesh out the reactions of the characters more ready for the next book.
That’s about it, I did like the film but as you can see they missed soo many good scenes out. Sorry for the long reply but they missed a lot out!
I’m sure there are other little things that I have missed but that the gist of the missing scenes. IMO it would have been such a better a film if some of these scenes were included and more underused actors were used like the Weasly Twins, Snape and the Dursley’s.
:dork: (beaky)
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Yeah I would of liked to have seen more of Peeves. Hes played quite a bigger part in the first two books but you dont get to see much of him in the movies. Or the Bloody baron for that matter :)
Actually looking forward to the next film and book a lot more than i am for Lotr:3 Got lots of doubts about what hes going to do to number 3 but the potter films have been excellent adaptions.
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Sorry for the large post that beaky posted (I posted it some time ago when It just came out in the cinema). I apologise for all the spelling mistakes but they are not that distracting :)
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Originally posted by Spam
Just watched the r2 last night, it had a couple of scenes missing from the cinema release namely the event in Borgins where harry came out the chimney to hear the Malfoys selling off old gear, and the gnome clearing at the Weasleys farm.
Now from what i can gather these have been added to the "missing scenes" section of the dvd. Havnt seen them yet, but sounds like a very dodgy trend of studios editing out sections of the film in order to promote the disc as having extra missing material.
Very poor show.
DVD has got a very poor future if the public become more like you ... ie imagining scenes have been taken out of a film (to be classed as extras instead) when they were never in the film in the first place :brickwall
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Originally posted by Spam
Yeah I would of liked to have seen more of Peeves. Hes played quite a bigger part in the first two books but you dont get to see much of him in the movies. He's not in the 'Chamber of Secrets' movie either... have you watched any of the films or just read the books and you've made the pictures up in your head? :p
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oh forgive me adam, guess i just cant be perfect like yourself.
:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
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I'm not perfect by any means but I can differentiate between a story book and a film... maybe all that banging your head against the wall has blurred the boundaries...?
You must be pretty crap at charades - "It's a movie... no a book... oh hang on is it a play'
:p :p :p
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Originally posted by Spam
hmmmm could of sworn the gnome clearing was in the film too. Ahh well, phantom memories :) God only knows what theyll have to chop out of 3 and 4 , those books were the size of lotr.
That's a joke right? Those books as big as LOTR? Are you mad boyo! Maybe, just maybe, if you tie all 7 together when they are finshed, but c'mon...they print the bloody things for people who can't see. Size 14 font or something...if the text was normal size, there would be significantly fewer pages... :nono:
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In one of the extras during the interview with Steve Kloves and JK Rowling, he says they are working on the script for 4.
They are trying to do it as one film, but are not closed to the idea it might have to become two.
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I saw one of the week early previews (I think they were only in places that parts of the film had been shot), then a friend who saw it with me saw it after general release and swears blind that they'd taken some scenes out the 2nd time she saw it. Dunno if I believe her though.
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Originally posted by tk421138
In one of the extras during the interview with Steve Kloves and JK Rowling, he says they are working on the script for 4.
They are trying to do it as one film, but are not closed to the idea it might have to become two.
They're doing it as one film in two sittings (with a 15 minute interval maybe) trust me, I get my information from the inside... a friend who I work actually stars in the film. :D
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A good idea would make it 3-4 hrs and then release it as 2 films a month apart, your previous ticket could then be used to get 50% off the second part ;)
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Originally posted by tk421138
They are trying to do it as one film, but are not closed to the idea it might have to become two.
Yeah, I'd heard that was a good possibility.
Only problem I can see is making sure they get them all done before the kids grow up too much (or any other cast members die :eek: ). I suspect if they did two they film it as one and just split it into two.
Alternatively, they shoot the entire book and hack it to pieces for cinema, then stick it back in for a 4 hour DVD :D.
There's always going to be dissapointment that certain things in the books don't make it to the screen, but it's difficult to cram it all into 2 or 3 hours. The LOTR option of adding more to the DVD is best in my opinion, but I can't see them bothering for a majority kids audience disc. However, there is supposed to be a more 'adult' marketed version of the first Potter film due out, complete with more interesting extras rather than the simplistic stuff for the kids, so maybe they could add more to those. It depends how much they shot though.
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IIRC there will be no extensive "making of" on any DVD for Harry Potter ever - especially one going into the special effects used.
This was - apparently - one of the conditions of Warner Bros. licencing the books from J.K. Rowling, she didn't want too much of the illusion spoilt for the children. So no TV specials on the making of the film and no DVD extras going past superficial details.
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Originally posted by 2099net
IIRC there will be no extensive "making of" on any DVD for Harry Potter ever - especially one going into the special effects used.
This was - apparently - one of the conditions of Warner Bros. licencing the books from J.K. Rowling, she didn't want too much of the illusion spoilt for the children. So no TV specials on the making of the film and no DVD extras going past superficial details.
Yeah, but they were going to do discs aimed at adults, so that wouldn't spoil things for the kids as they can have their "dumbed down" discs as well.
Don't know about "making of"s, but according to this (http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=89464) there is at least a Director's commentary.
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But I thought it was a term of the contract - and has been stated many times the Harry Potter/Warner contract is not open to negotiations - adult discs or not.
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Originally posted by Spam
Yeah I would of liked to have seen more of Peeves. Hes played quite a bigger part in the first two books but you dont get to see much of him in the movies.
He's not in the 'Chamber of Secrets' movie either... have you watched any of the films or just read the books and you've made the pictures up in your head?
If memory serves me, none other than Rik Mayall played Peeves for the first movie, but all of his scenes ended up on the cutting-room floor, so he was not asked to come back for "...Chamber of secrets" and the character was simply erased instead. Too bad.
And having watched all of the deleted scenes in the DVD, I think this is one of those rare cases where they were not taken out for pacing but for length reasons, and most of them were almost crucial to the real spirit of the book and would have added a much needed depth to the movie. As it stands, it is just a nice recap of the events in the book, but quite a poor, poor translation of its true merits. I guess the producers thought it was already too long, and as right as they may be from a commercial standpoint, it is a shame.
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Originally posted by 2099net
But I thought it was a term of the contract - and has been stated many times the Harry Potter/Warner contract is not open to negotiations - adult discs or not.
Could be. I don't know.
The possibility of a more 'adult' oriented re-release is mentioned here: http://www.dvddebate.com/article.php?sid=2855
Could be just rumour though, however DVD-Talk's re-release list have it down as confirmed and they're usually accurate.
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That was actually one of my contributions to the Debate site, before I became one of the editors.
It was mentioned online in the paper (a friend of mine who works at the BBC pointed it out to me). However, my subsequent interviewing of bods at Warners when attending a press screening adamantly denied there was a more adult version being released.
We will not know definitely, of course, but I would imagine that we will not see this.......
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But I don't rule out a second release of HPatPS, and being as the old release was aimed at children (and as a result got lots of critisism) I expect any re-release to be more "conventional"
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I'm just saying that having spoke to WB, I do not think it will happen. But, of course, I could be wrong.